Tiahuanaco en Bolivie : les preuves de son existence il y a 15.000 ans

Tiahuanaco / Tiwanaku in Bolivia:

evidence of its existence 15,000 years ago

J e take this video posted on YouTube that I was shown, showing the visit of the mysterious city by a francophone, to reconsider his dating increasingly challenged (800-100 Av. JC) and to complement these articles:





Lake Titicaca

La Paz, capital of Bolivia, is nestled in a circus located more than 3,000 m above the level of the sea. Lake Titicaca is now at nearly 4,000 meters above the level the sea. The surroundings of the lake are littered with fossilized shells. While living at several hundred kilometers from the Pacific Ocean, fish and shellfish from the lake belong mostly to ocean species.

Its marine fauna demonstrates that the lake was once more salty. In fact, it is evident that the waters were marines.
So at one time, all of the Altiplano was raised. Marine waters and wildlife found themselves trapped in the Andes.

This geological accuracy is important to understand the apparent contradictions between what we deliver sediments and rocks and the official theory on Tiahuanaco construction.

Less than 20 km from the lake and more than 30 m above the present coasts, lie the monumental ruins of Tiwanaku.

Tiahuanaco: the city of the mystery

From the 16th century, the conquistadors heard of  legends surrounding that city . They discovered the  abandoned ruins for a long time . Since then, several researchers undertook archaeological studies date the origin of the city.

Arthur Posnanski  concludes that the origins of this city date back  to more than 10 000 years . Most Orthodox archaeologists expressed their disagreement and advanced as the oldest date of  100 BCE.

We will try to highlight the evidence to date this city.

The most confusing thing is that  the city was once a port, the remains are there to prove it. This port was located on the shore of Lake Titicaca.

So these remains that no one can deny pose the following problem:

The major geological transformations take place over very long periods. All of the Altiplano was raised, probably during the geological upheavals that presided over the formation of South America.

There is evidence that Tiahuanaco was once the lake. Based on this fact, either since its construction, the lake level has dropped considerably; ie, the land on which is located the city was raised.

The trouble is that the uplift of the Altiplano occurred before the appearance of man.

So when Tiahuanaco he built  ?

Professor  A.Posnansky  spent  50 years studying the city . He delivered his findings in a book entitled "  Tiahuanacu: The Cradle of American Man. "

He exhibits his archaeo-astronomical calculations which have been corroborated by several scholars including Dr.  Hans Ludendorff  (Director of the Astronomical Observatory of Potsdam at the time), several astronomers and astrophysicists.

His conclusion is as follows:

The solar alignments of various structures were determined by observation of the heavens.
Astronomers confirm that this observation is widely anterior to 500 BC.
The date - 15 000 years advanced by Posnansky is much more likely.

Tiahuanaco has been built well before dawn of prehistoric times. (YH: in Latin America)

Extinct species

The most spectacular monument of Tiwanaku is undoubtedly the Sun Gate. Weighing 10 tons, it is famous for the frieze lintel.

Can be distinguished on the basis of this frieze  head of an elephant . The design is unexpected because  the proboscis disappeared from South America in the late Pleistocene that is to say there 10,000 years.

Another identified species that appears is the  Toxodon , a mammal amphibian  that flourished in South America  in the late Pliocene (1.6 million years ago) and  became extinct in the late Pleistocene (around - 12 000 years ).  There are no less than 46 heads carved in the frieze toxodontes.

The animal also appears on pottery.

Other representations of extinct species have been discovered on the site:  the Shelidoterium and  Macrauchenia .

Macrauchenia. "On the Land of Monsters Gone". © BBC 1996.2002

The  Macrauchenia  was a South American hoofed  who disappeared are 10 000 years .

It should be noted that the late Pleistocene marked an extinction of many species worldwide. Indeed, at the end of this period, all animals horn carriers, Elephantidae, the saber-toothed cat, the chalicothères and many other species on every continent became extinct.

Yet the performances are there and by definition, one can not draw or sculpt what we know.  The animals were well represented from nature.

This confirms undoubtedly although say archaeologists "traditionalists" that Tiahuanaco has been built before the end of the Pleistocene.

Unfinished website

Tiahuanaco was never completed. The works and performances were arrested as if the civilization that had built these buildings had suddenly extinguished.

It seems likely that a sudden event has occurred.  A cataclysm seems to have hit the city in the eleventh millennium BC.

The discovery of a  lakeside flora mixed with human bones tend to prove that this is a flood.

One thing is sure and  confirm geologists,  earthquakes have devastated the region . They had the effect of raising the water level. The climate became much colder.

What is even more surprising is that the population has not left Tiahuanaco immediately. Indeed, they found evidence of sophisticated agricultural experiences.  These experiences seemed to have intended to compensate for climate damage.

In particular, chemical analyzes of plants were made.
But by whom? At a time when our ancestors were still living in caves ...

According to reports in the magazine  Nature the last geomagnetic reversal occurred there 12,400 years.  This date strangely coincides with the disappearance of the civilization of Tiahuanico and many animal species on Earth.
When will the next global catastrophe? The answer is perhaps in the alignment of structures.
We probably never know, as this civilization is likely to remain a legend in the eyes of the traditionalist scientific community.

V.Battaglia (02.2005)

Main references: A.Posnansky. Tiahuanacu: The Cradle of American Man. JJ Agustin in 1945
Splendours of lost civilizations. The most beautiful archaeological sites. Gründ 1998
Archaeological sites: World Heritage of UNESCO. Gründ 2004
biography A.Posnansky. Wikipedia -  http://www.dinosoria.com/incas.htm

"The remains found show that the city was once a port, this one was on the shore of Lake Titicaca.  The legends connect history to a remarkable episode from the Bible: Noah's flood,  disturbing detail: the Bolivian archaeologist  Arturo Posnansky  concluded by studying the thin layer of lime deposits,  they had been submerged for a considerable period, in addition, some parts of the ruins have been deeply buried sediments, archaeologist normally deducted and suggested that Biblical Flood may have been the reason for these deposits. What is certain is that the site was never completed, work was interrupted as if a sudden event which would hit the city had occurred, a cataclysm of climate change?  The empire of Tiwanaku died after the lake level is lowered and the remote shores of the city.

Tiahuanaco has probably not finished revealing its secrets, in  1968 Jacques Cousteau , passionate, plunged into Lake Titicaca and  discovered pits more than 500 meters deep, but he did not find the archaeological remains that he sought. 

Most recently in  2005 , led by the Italian geologist  Lorenzo Epis , dispatch called "Atahualpa 2000" the name of the last Inca emperor, concentrated his research on the outskirts of  the largest islands of the lake, the Sun . His tenacity was rewarded because it was discovered  the remains of a road, a wall of 700 meters long, a monument, a terrace and relics of a temple of 250 meters long and 50 meters wide.  The team also identified  a now submerged island, 3,600 meters long and 600 wide, which was covered by the sudden rise of the lake , result of a cataclysm that the (YH: contradict the fact that the port and the city are high:  it is more likely that temporary flooding has submerged just what was already ruins and the islands in the 12th century ...) occur in the 12th century and would be the cause .... the decline of civilization Tiahuananco (YH: very unlikely because the city has been flooded, she saw her height ...) "

In Search of Atlantis remains on the Bolivian Altiplano

"In the south of the center of the Inca Empire, a huge shelf extends in the Andes: the Altiplano After the Tibetan Plateau is the second largest high-altitude earth plate With an average altitude of.. 3300 m, surrounded by mountains and volcanoes. 

In prehistoric times, it was probably covered by a vast inland sea, only two of which still exist lakes: Lake Titicaca and Lake Poopó.

In 1978 , analyzing aerial photographs, the Scot  Jim Allen  realized that the Altiplano seemed to correspond closely to the description given by  Plato  of the plain where the capital city of Atlantis was located. According to Plato, this plain was rectangular, surrounded by mountains, with a small hill in the center, close to the sea.

The translation of Plato which Allen has used also stated that the plain was well above the sea and down to half that altitude the "long side" of the continent. These descriptions fit well in the Bolivian Altiplano.

For  Allen , even the specific dimensions of Plato,  3000 × 2000 stadiums conform  if slightly reinterpret this ancient unit of measurement. After several expeditions, located at Allen what he considered the small hill forming the center of the city of Atlantis, a hill called  Pampa Aullagas near Lake Poopó.

According to him, Plato pointed this lake when he said that the city of Atlantis was near the "sea."  Allen believes that the destruction of the city was caused by a sudden rise of the waters of Lake Poopó, combined with tremors earth (common in the region).

To summarize, Allen advocates that South America is the continent of Atlantis still exists, positioned more or less exactly where Plato says that the Altiplano plateau is probably the only place in the world really match the description of the central plain of Atlantis made by Plato, the Atlantean capital was located near the shores of Lake Poopó, and its ruins probably lie beneath the salty mud of the lake and around it.

To support his theory, Allen advance a series of tests:

  • Atl antis and  are respectively Native American words meaning  "water" and "copper" . According to  Plato , both were important features of Atlantis; they are also typical of the Altiplano and pre-Columbian cultures. [however be noted that atl is a Nahuatl word (Aztec), and thus originated in a completely different part of America.]
  • The orichalcum  - probably an alloy of copper and gold - was common in Atlantis.  The Incas and other local cultures scale using an alloy of copper and gold.
  • The mountains surrounding the central plain of Atlantis were supposed to be rich in mineral deposits. The mountains around the Altiplano have provided huge amounts of gold, silver and other minerals.
  • The cultures of the Altiplano, from the Incas to their ancestors, show many similarities with the civilizations of the ancient world - the pyramids, monumental buildings, flattening of the head (harmless practice of attaching the baby's skull a board to shape), etc., all evoking a common ancestry.
    • One of the tutelary deities of the Altiplano region was  Tunapa, God of Water  - Possible counterpart  Poseidon  -. A Quechua avatar Tunapa / Poseidon was  Viracocha , hero associated with a flood that destroyed a great civilization in the region of Lake Titicaca,  sometimes depicted as a blond or red-haired man, with blue eyes, came from afar, com me Quetzalcoatl which it resembles. Is this proof that civilization had arrived in the Americas with the survivors of Atlantis Altiplano?

    But the first clue that attracted the attention of  Jim Allen  on the Atlantean potential of the Altiplano has also proven to be the most significant proof of his theory -  the presence of a huge network channels, exactly as stated Plato ...

In the first series of satellite photos of the Bolivian Altiplano, the look of Allen was attracted by what appeared to be  a gigantic canal in the desert, west of Lake Poopó.

Over the next 25 years, Allen has made several trips to Bolivia to study in person the mystery of these channels.

Contrary to the opinion of many experts, he says they are clearly visible and they are not just dry riverbeds along the path of geological faults.  For him, these are artificial constructs showing a engineering hydraulic astonishing scale.

Allen says the gigantic channel located through satellite imagery  corresponds exactly to the dimensions given in the Critias. According to Plato, its breadth was a stadium (180 m). Allen measured width of a slope to one another at the top, and found that it was 180 m.

He continued his research and eventually discovered thousands of other channels in a huge network crisscrossing on the Altiplano, comply with network proportions which, according to Plato, Atlantis existed on the plain.

Bolivia, Sajama-lines.jpglignesbolivie-1.jpg


Furthermore, aerial photographs and field research show that the site proposed by Allen for the Atlantean Acropolis Aullagas Pampa, is surrounded by concentric canals - once filled with water, similar to those described by Plato.

Everybody does not find convincing evidence of Allen and interpretation of aerial photographs.  The landscape has been heavily modified by earthquakes, land subsidence and drastic changes in the level of Lake Poopó, who certainly dimmed the Precise details of this putative Atlantis.

The atlantologue  Stephen Hodge  - author of  Atlantis  A Practical and Inspirational Guide  -  points out that although Allen is right about the artificial nature of the channels, it would be more logical to trace these to the inhabitants of the ancient city-state Tiahuanaco known masters in irrigation and hydropower.

For its part, the Irish atlantologue  Herbie Brennan  says that Tiahuanaco was built as a major port, although it was situated well above the level of the sea. He sees evidence of its antiquity - exceeding 8000 years. - and the fact that the Altiplano was at sea level at the time of its construction

Tiahuanaco proves at least that advanced civilizations have existed in time of which Plato speaks ...

Additional links :


  • Atlas of Atlantis: And Other Lost Civilizations .Véga
  • Atlantis: Lost Kingdom of the Andes.Jim Allen.Floris Books
  • The Andes: from prehistory to the Incas. Danièle Lavallée and Lumbrera Luis Guillermo Universe of Forms Gallimard, Paris, 1985


  • 1) Satellite photo Pampas Augullas (Google Earth) 19 ° 11'47 "S 67 ° 3'42" W
  • 2)  Tiwanaku, probably the oldest city in the Commons monde.Wikimedia




The origin of Tiahuanaco is lost in the millennia.  The Incas, during the conquest of Peru by Hernando Pizarro, claimed that they had never known Tiahuanaco differently than in ruin. The Aymara, the most ancient people of the Andes , said that the city was one of the first men of the Earth and had been created by Viracocha God before even the birth of the sun and stars.


"The enigmatic Renovator of the Religion of the Inca Sun;  Mr. Beltran Garcia , Spanish biologist and direct descendant of Garcilaso de la Vega , the great historian of the Conquest; inherited from his grandfather unpublished documents relating to the Andean traditions of La Porte. Sun, in itself, was only one incomplete testimony. The Andean traditions, in themselves, were a fabrication. The whole, juxtaposed, made ​​succeed interpretations mythologies and traditions American, Egyptian , Greek and Babylonian same, a finally acceptable explanation.

The history, which stopped the last pharaonic dynasties, had just made a jump in the past and is now extended until the tenth millennium BC, if not further.

Here's what revealed the secret documents of Garcilaso de la Vega, translated and commented by Mr. Beltran:


" The pictographic writings of Tiahuanaco say that in the era of the giant tapirs, highly evolved human beings and a blood different from ours, found at their convenience on the highest lake on Earth (Titicaca) . During their interplanetary travel , the pilots launched their excrements without landing and gave to the lake as a human being lying on the back. They did not forget the navel, place where our first Mother would pose themselves,  responsible for the insemination of human intelligence . This legend, yesterday, would have made ​​us smile. Today our frogmen artificially copy the webbed fingers of the colonists of Tiahuanaco.  The Andean natives live at altitudes where the White could not be acclimatized, which is the evidence that there may exist another blood . In their powerful telescopes, the sidereal visitors thus sought an altitude and a lake favorable at their organization and their life amphibian

Note that to ruin the tradition and to discredit the lake in the spirit of Andean, the geographical charts represented until 1912 with an almost round shape.

Legitimate name of the lake:  "  Titi   "(lake of the mystery and the sun), was added the suffix  "caca"   which, in many languages, means excrement.

Thus, the documents of the descendant of  Garcilaso de la Vega  reported a  extraterrestrial Eve and interplanetary craft . They gave also astonishing details:


"At the tertiary era (there are about  5 million years ) while no human being existed yet on our only populated planet of fantastic animals, an aircraft shining like gold landed on the . Sun Island Lake Titicaca From this aircraft a woman went down resembling to the current women for all the body from the feet to breasts, but she had  her head cone, large ears and the webbed hands with four fingers . His name was "  Orejona  "( big ears ) and it came from the Venus planet where the atmosphere is somewhat similar to that of Earth.

Its webbed hands indicated that water existed in abundance on its original planet and played a vital role in the lives of Venusians.

Orejona walked upright like us, she was endowed with intelligence and without doubt she had  the intention to create a terrestrial humanity , because she had relations with a tapir, animal growling fours. She fathered several children. This offspring born of a monstrous crossing was born with two udders, a reduced intelligence, but the reproductive organs remained those of the tapir-pig.  The race was fixed .

One day, his mission accomplished, or perhaps Earth wearies, and eager to return on Venus where it could have a companion in his image, Orejona resumed his flight spacecraft. Her children thereafter, procreated, especially dedicating themselves to the destiny of their father tapir, but in the Titicaca region remained tribe faithful to the memory of Orejona developed his intelligence, preserved its religious rites and was the starting point of civilizations Pre-Inca. "  

That's what is written on the pediment of the Sun Gate in Tiahuanaco.

Orejona the "Venusian"

Of course, you have to make sense of things, however all left to reflect.

The most troubling enigma nevertheless remains that of the construction of this strange city lost in the heart of the highland desert. No career, no rock are visible nearby.

What is the origin of the materials used for the construction of the city during the imperial stage? By what ingenious ways, putting works which energies these stones monumental they were transported here?

Gone are the days where a Spanish Jesuit recounted in his chronicle the magic action according to which " the large stones that we see in Tiahuanaco were transported in the air to the sound of a trumpet "(ultrasound?) which was playing a be endowed with gifts ... to say the least exceptional. 

The petrographic examination of materials made ​​it possible to find the careers corresponding to 100 and even 300 kilometers away. What obliges to admit that monoliths of which some weigh more than 100 tons were transported considerable distances through generally rough terrain . Recall that the mysterious builders did not have features of beasts, and knew neither the wheel nor iron. 

(YH: This is not quite sure since we precisely know that the conquistadors melted all metal found there ... and we did find metallurgical furnaces ..! .)

Saura does one ever know why the city, whose certain buildings seem unfinished, was abandoned forever?

The giant divinities who always watch over her lost voice ... But the word remains, of course, archaeologists ...

The city of Tiahuanaco poses in my opinion an interesting problem.

Indeed the presence of very wide quays leaves has to think that the city was a port of Lake Titicaca. However Tiahuanaco is currently located about 18 kilometers south of the lake, as well as more than 30 meters above the present lake level. We know that Lake Titicaca and the Altiplano plateau on which it is located have always been much moved. Indeed the old northern bank of the lake is visible from 88 meters higher than its current level, whereas 60 kilometers further south, the same bank is located 82 meters below. This is the Altiplano movement that Ponansky allowed professors and Müller to affirm that Tiahuanaco was not built into -500, as stated orthodox chronology, but in -15000, and would have undergone the anger of a natural disaster eleven millenia before AD. 

Then, Tiahuanaco, the oldest city in the world?

              Source: http://nousnesommespasseuls.xooit.com/t13009-TIAHUANACO-la-plus-vieille-ville-du-monde.htm

Yves Herbo



- http://www.sciences-fictions-histoires.com/blog/archeologie/tiahuanaco-en-bolivie-les-preuves-de-son-existence-il-y-a-15-000-ans.html


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Commentaire de Santorine57 le 20 juillet 2014 à 12:11

Tiwanaku/Tiahuanaco a-t-il été construit
par des Anciens Astronautes,
des voyageurs du temps ?

Commentaire de Santorine57 le 20 juillet 2014 à 11:56

Commentaire de Santorine57 le 17 juillet 2014 à 21:42

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Commentaire de Santorine57 le 17 juillet 2014 à 20:52

voir video/article Effrayante Cité de Tiwanaku - Bolivie 2013. publié par  Ann-Pascale 83 le 17 juillet 2014 à 11:58

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